Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:58:11 -0700 (MST) From: snail Subject: [azpeace] re: News Release: Govt Data Sharing Plan a Dagger at the Heart of To: azpeace@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: azpeace@yahoogroups.com
sounds like those brits live in a police state.
but the nice thing about those brits is until a couple of years ago they issued drives licenses which DONT HAVE A PHOTO and are good until your 65 years old.
which means they are very easy to forge using WORD or any word processing program. o need to get out photoshop.
also they are valid in arizona per
ARS 28-3152 A.3 & ARS 28-3152 A.5
i suspect they are also valid in most other america states.
and while the canadian drivers liceses computers are tied to the american police state computer system NCIC which means the cops can spot fake canadian licesenses i dont think NCIC is hooked to the british computer system which means you can hand a cop a forged british drivers license and he wont be able to tell if its forged.
even in states where a britsh drivers license is not legal they can be used to get an international drivers license.
international drivers licenses are issued under a UN treaty and most countries in the world including the US have signed the treaty.
international drivers issued by AAA, yes thats the American Automotive Association. in most other countrys of the world they are issued by that countries AAA.
to get one you pay $10 to AAA, give them two photos, and they xerox a copy of your drivers license. they then give you the international drivers license which has one of your photos pasted in it. the license is about 10 pages long with each page being written in a different language russian, japanize, chinise, hindi, arabic, english, spanish, hebrew, and so on. its only good for about one year.
there are three catches to the international driveres license.
1) it IS NOT valid in the country where your drivers license WAS ISSUED.
2) its ONLY valid WITH the drivers license from your home country.
3) its only valid in countries that have signed the UN treaty.
many other former british colinies use the same system. a former boss of mine was from south africa. he told me his drivers license had no photo, and expired when he did, ie at his death.
the other mike
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 02:23:45 EDT From: freemanaz@aol.com Subject: [azpeace] News Release: Govt Data Sharing Plan a Dagger at the Heart of Liberty To: azpeace@yahoogroups.com Cc: leftlibertarian@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: azpeace@yahoogroups.com
NEWS RELEASE FROM THE LIBERTARIAN ALLIANCE In Association with the Libertarian International
London, Saturday, 13th April 2002 For Immediate Use
Contact Details: Dr Chris R. Tame, 07957 644519, chris@libertarian.co.uk For other contact and link details, see the foot of this message
"GOVT'S DATA SHARING PLAN IS A DAGGER TO THE HEART OF LIBERTY", SAYS FREE MARKET AND CIVIL LIBERTIES THINK TANK
The Labour's government's plans to integrate the personal data held on British citizens by various government departments and agencies is a dagger to the heart of liberty, says the Libertarian Alliance, the radical free market and civil liberties think tank and pressure group.
Libertarian Alliance Director, Dr Chris R. Tame, says:
"In the light of the ever-more blatant attack on civil liberties in this country - including the proliferation of camera surveillance systems, the increasing involvement of intelligence agencies in political surveillance and dirty tricks operations, the push for a national ID card and DNA database, the gradual abolition of common law liberties by the removal of jury trials, of the presumption of innocence, of the right of silence and of double jeopardy, and by the adoption of the EU's despotic corpus juris - this proposal is even more ominous. The government's claim that data would be processed only 'where necessary' is laughable - especially when one sees that their list of 'necessary' reasons covers every conceivable excuse for nanny statism, paternalism, censorship, socialism, prudery, puritanism and prohibitionism.
It is ironic that when the state has demonstrated that it is incapable of providing any 'public service' adequately, when it cannot defend its citizens from predators of every stripe, that is should be attempting to turn us into supplicants and serfs. The common argument that 'if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear' is absurd. In an age when health fascists have declared smoking to be a form of child abuse it is clear that everyone can be subjected to the prejudices of demented paternalists - whether of the fundamentalist religious nutters, the peddlers of PC pieties, the environmentalists, or the feminist anti-sex cranks. Your life style, your tastes, your sexuality, your political and social vews, can be subjected to tomorrow's moral panic, propaganda scare campaign and witch-hunt and legislated as 'crimes' or as 'politically incorrect'.
The citizens of Britain need to send a messae to our would-be masters that we are not numbers, that we will not be pushed, filed, indexed, stamped, briefed, debriefed, or numbered - that our lives are our own.
It is now clear that the 'social contract' has been broken by the state. Resistance to the usurpations of the state is both a right and a moral duty. It is the right, the duty, of all to resist and disrupt the state's data gathering and record-keeping ability, by whatever means are necessary".
ENDS
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